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Thursday, December 19, 2013

A Liberal Asks Liberals for Rational Argument Against the Rucho's Charge that the ACA is Facist ... Gets Nothing..


The Discussion concerned Sen. Bob Rucho who tweeted,

Justice Robert’s pen & Obamacare has done more damage to the USA then the swords of the Nazis, Soviets & terrorists combined.
Read more here: http://www.newsobserver.com/2013/12/16/3465037/nc-gop-asks-sen-bob-rucho-to-apologize.html#storylink=cpy
The liberal reaction was simple ... express outrage in the absence of  rational argument.

It seems one liberal, Dan Montgomery, wanted more than outrage but left with disappointment:

  1. Dan Montgomery 
    December 18, 2013 at 10:24 am
    In following this debate there seems to be a great deal of outrage directed toward Rucho for essentially sounding an alarm in regard to the direction of our nation (as he sees it).
    What is the answer to his point?
    Some argue that If Socialist Nazis and Communists each dabbled in there own forms of the ACA, then how can Rucho’s comparison be unfair?
    How do I argue with this point?

  1. GOP Rules 
    December 18, 2013 at 10:33 am
    The exact same thing applies here to the Pulse. I hesitate to use something from Alan/ML, but your comment is the exact same “word salad” but in a mirror. When a democrat (or some other chosen member of the “good ole’ boy network”) in NC uses the word nazi, there are crickets chirping all around here…but when it just so happens to be a person with an R beside them….then as Foghorn Leghorn would say— OUTRAGE I say, Outrage! He must apoligize! Have him drawn, quartered, and burned at the stake!

  1. GOP Rules 
    December 18, 2013 at 10:35 am
    And I should say….I am not outraged by either a democrat or republican saying stupid things….do you not expect stupid things to come from politicians anyway? What is the true outrage is some people do not expect something stupid from them regardless of party.

  1. ML 
  2. December 18, 2013 at 11:25 am
    And Dan. That point can be made without bringing up some of the worst authorities in human history, maybe try something like the worst thing since Voodoo Economics or Vohlstead Act…

  1. Dan Montgomery 
    December 18, 2013 at 12:44 pm
    My problem is that in a discussion thread one guy said that the pre-war Germany had there own version of the ACA. (he used the term Nazi…)
    So, I thought I’d look it up and squash him.
    As it turns out Germany did have their own version of the ACA. As a result I couldn’t counter this idiot who was comparing Nazis to Democrats.
    I do not want to just “shout” at the guy as valid as it might be. I want to prove him wrong. I want to prove to him and anyone reading that Democrats and pre-war Germany stand apart from each other in every way including healthcare.
    I am looking for a rational, thoughtful argument and this seemed like a good place to go.

  1. Steve Harrison 
    December 18, 2013 at 3:07 pm
    Dan, Germany’s socialized healthcare predated the Nazi movement by several decades, and it didn’t even remotely resemble the Affordable Care Act of today. In fact, the NC DHHS’s move towards managed care comes a lot closer to the sometimes harsh institutional nature of Germany’s program(s) than Obamacare does/will, but you won’t hear a peep out of Rucho mentioning that.

  1. wncgirl 
    December 18, 2013 at 3:31 pm
    So before the Nazi Democrats came up with the ACA the Nazi Republicans at the Heritage Foundation came up with it… for it before against it after… what you say? What I say is which party is the more hateful towards women, people of a darker hue, the poor, those with alternative lifestyles? I think we all know the answer to that one…

  1. GOP Rules 
    December 18, 2013 at 4:08 pm
    ML…..such is the state of all politicians. If you are placing faith in them, they are going to disappoint you more times than not. I too am sad that people in that profession are only concerned with power, oppression of freedom, and the continual expansion of government. This should be expected though, government is an invention of humans, and humans who are attracted to controlling other people are usually the one’s who will be the first to become corrupt in some way.

  1. Dan Montgomery 
    December 18, 2013 at 4:24 pm
    It is good to hear that Germany’s socialized medicine was not a Nazi construct, Steve.
    But I don’t feel comfortable arguing that socialized medicine was just a precursor to Nazi control. Surly you can see where that would leave me open to counter argument. Did the Nazi party do away with socialized medicine in Germany? I would ave thought they would have with wartime expenses and all but I don’t want to make assumptions..
    While I feel in my heart that the ACA is just and right, I am still having a difficult time arguing against the healthcare parallels these idiots are drawing with prewar Germany or Germany or Nazi Germany.
    I want to defend the ACA but I don’t want to sound shrill.
    The best argument is the rational one.

  1. Dan Montgomery 
    December 19, 2013 at 8:06 am
    My apologies if I came to the wrong place.

  1. LayintheSmakDown 
    December 19, 2013 at 8:26 am
    What is drow dalas?
    You came to the wrong place if you expected to not be called names if you state an opinion that may be outside of the realm of liberal political correctness. You may also expect to be accused of being on the payroll of Civitas or Art Pope…or maybe Satan (although these guys consider them all to be the same) if you express a view that may be contrary to the popular liberal belief or lean the slightest bit conservative. That way they take the argument away from the facts and with the resources they have you can then be essentially shouted down.

  1. Alan 
    December 19, 2013 at 10:12 am
    Word salad in a mirror….”but your comment is the exact same “word salad” but in a mirror”
    The “slightest” bit conservative? Only if you regard Atilla The Hun as a fire breathing liburel….

  1. LayintheSmakDown 
    December 19, 2013 at 6:14 pm
    Liburel….is that french?

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