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Showing posts with label Egypt. Show all posts

Tuesday, February 21, 2012

Is the Hostage Crises in Egypt Still a Hostage Crises in a Forest of Silent Media?

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To be clear, there is a hostage crises in Egypt.

Commentary:
It may not be the equivalent of the Iranian Hostage Crisis of 1979-81 or the subsequent seizures of American citizens in Lebanon, but the Obama administration has a hostage crisis of sorts on its hands, and how it handles it will be of considerable importance not only to the president’s standing but the country’s.

This crisis has come about because the transitional regime in Egypt has decided to put on trial 19 Americans and two dozen others who are guilty of the apparent crime of trying to develop civil society and democracy. Seven of those defendants, who will go on trial on Friday, are actually in Egypt and unable to leave as long as the proceedings go on. Several have sought refuge at the U.S. embassy, like Cardinal Mindszenty, who lived in the U.S. embassy in Budapest for 15 years to escape Communist persecution. Those held hostage include Sam LaHood, son of a cabinet member, who is head of the International Republican Institute’s Cairo office.

Fox had this:



  • NBC -- Nothing
  • CBS -- A local story of two hostages released titled "Bay Area Women Taken Hostage In Egypt Recount Ordeal"
  • ABC -- Nothing
  • CNN -- Nothing
  • CNBC -- Nothing







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Saturday, February 12, 2011

Loosing the Mantle of Liberty in Iraq ..

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Where once conservatives beat the drum for liberty in Iraq, they currently beat the drum for obligation and respect for an ally. I am loyal to a fault so I have had great sympathy for the conservative argument as it related to Mubarak, but in the end I felt the potential for freedom and liberty outweighed any sense of loyalty to Mubarak.

Mubarak is gone now. Where does that leave us?

I believe the left hindered democracy in Iraq for political reasons but with democracy possibly on the march in the middle east that legacy becomes a political liability. Therefore they ignore the obvious success in Iraq in favor of defining the genesis of what may be the democratization of the Mideast as Egypt.

Though no effort of their own events have unfolded in Egypt such that democrats are attempting to claim the mantel of freedom and liberty after actively resisting it for years in Iraq. Chris Matthews has gone so far as to ask if what has happened in Egypt may be the start of the democratization of the middle east. He asks this despite the fact that there is a democracy currently in Iraq doing just that - prompting citizens of neighboring nations to question why they don't have self determination themselves.


If we (the right) don't start claiming Iraq to be the foreign policy success that it has become and the source of the desire for freedom felt by the citizenry across the Mideast then the left is going to define that source such that they are presented in the best possible light themselves when they should be sinking due to the political dead weight of resisting Iraqi liberty.

Should we really be so concerned with loyalty toward the now deposed Mubarak that we allow the party that profited politically from resisting liberty in Iraq to steal the mantel of liberty from us by taking advantage of the random events within Egypt?

It's time to move on - Mubarak is gone - the military is making the right noises ...

Are we the really the stupid party?


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Friday, February 11, 2011

Obama's Utter Failure at Diplomacy...

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Via the AP:

Caught up in stunning news like the rest of the world, President Barack Obama learned of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak's resignation during an Oval Office meeting. He absorbed images of celebration on television and prepared to make an afternoon statement.

A Diminished America..



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Rattling the Cage Egypt - A Military Coup ...

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BBC:
"In these grave circumstances that the country is passing through, President Hosni Mubarak has decided to leave his position as president of the republic," a grim-looking Suleiman said. "He has mandated the Armed Forces Supreme Council to run the state. God is our protector and succor."

Hmm. Will the military bring liberty or despotism to Egypt?



Update:


AP

The question now turned to how the military, Egypt's most powerful institution, will handle the transition in power. Earlier in the day, the Armed Forces Supreme Council — a body of top generals — vowed to guide the country to greater democracy.

In a statement hours before Suleiman's announcement, it said it was committed "to sponsor the legitimate demands of the people and endeavorfor their implementation within a defined timetable ... until achieving a peaceful transition all through a democratic society aspired by the people."

Abdel-Rahman Samir, one of the youth organizers of the protests, said the protest movement would now open negotiations with the military over democratic reform but vowed protests would continue to ensure change is carried out.


Seem positive, but if the events of the past week are any indication ......




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Thursday, February 10, 2011

Obama's Egyptian GrekoRomenKungFuJitSu...

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Be careful with those nunchucks...




Synopsis Via GatewayPundit



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Wednesday, February 9, 2011

The Ether of Liberty Amid Mideast Chaos and Inscrutable US Diplomacy...

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Iran, Egypt, Tunisia, Yemen, Belarus. It seems rattling the cage has become fashionable across the Mideast.

Some of these are genuine movements for democracy while others are less so. In some the uprisings are out and out co-opted by non democratic forces.

In the wake of the chaos in Egypt I have been wrestling with what our appropriate response should be to this wave of uprisings.

It seems that it is not fashionable to bring up the Iraq war, but viewing the events currently taking place in the Mideast without including the changes that have befallen Iraq over the past decade would lead to decidedly wanting conclusions.

One of the reasons behind invading Iraq was to sow the seed of democracy in the Arab world. The example, it was hoped, would grow the strength of pro democratic groups within neighboring countries by convincing the citizenry that an Arabic democracy is possible.

In the years that followed the invasion of Iraq the US did not support a dictator or install a strongman in Iraq, instead the US gave the people of Iraq the time necessary to create their own "democracy" in whatever form best suited their culture.

But what US did was greater than that.

US actions in Iraq may have created a desire for freedom, an "I want what they have in Iraq" feeling, which freely flows throughout the Mideast. The subjugated people of the Mideast are aware of the freedom Iraq now enjoys and they realize that their fears of the US acting as a colonial power have not materialized. The US did not steal Iraq's oil or subjugate its people. Iraq is now a nation unto its own but under the influence of its citizenry. Who in the Mideast would not want what Iraq has?

Unforeseen or not though, it seems that Bush's approach of installing a democracy in the heart of the Mideast has resulted in destabilizing non democratic nations across the region regardless of how friendly they are to the US. As such, it is becoming clear that Bush's approach to Iraq reached beyond the his own administration and could well reach into other administrations beyond the Obama's.

If this is the case, then the desire for democracy has become the ether through which current and future Mideast diplomacy should be framed.

This is a wonderful development as the default desire for stability among with our nation and the nations of the world frequently leads to a lackadaisical interest in liberty, and often, an outright support for a lack thereof in the Mideast.

But how should the US approach freedom movements that may have been co-opted by extremists in traditionally friendly nations as in the case of Egypt?

Using the Muslim Brotherhood as an example one can easily conceive of an Egypt worse off tomorrow than today if the Muslim Brotherhood were able to ride a wave of democratic desire bolstered by American support to power. One wonders, though, how long-lived such rule would be if the same individuals who pushed for overthrow received less freedom rather than more as a result of their efforts. This would especially be the case if the Muslim Brotherhood represents only a small fraction of the population currently rattling the cage. In retrospect, would the Muslim world view the US as having once again supported another strongman in the Muslim Brotherhood?

Alternatively, consider the results of not supporting what might be, predominantly, a democratic movement. It could chill the desire for democracy among populations of nearby non democratic nations. Imagine their thoughts: Why take the risk of resisting the current regime when the leader of the free world doesn't have your back, or worse yet, actively supports your foe?

Perhaps supporting only those uprisings that are obviously democratic would be appropriate while standing astride those that are not clearly democratic would be wise . This could conceivably be what is in the thoughts of many in the US who generally support freedom and liberty, but currently support Mubarak. Again, this approach to supporting the spread of democracy in the Mideast could be viewed as inconsistent from the perspective of the Mideast.

The last way to play it would be for the US to remain silent rather than come out against undemocratic uprisings. It seems far fetched to consider this as an option but sadly it seems to have been our response to the truly democratic Iranian uprising.

In the end, the strength of a democratic Iraq will likely counter the US's often inscrutable Mideast foreign policy from the perspective of the Arab world (and mine). We are fortunate to have an Iraq today that will hopefully permanently provide the ether through which freedom may spread throughout the Mideast... despite ourselves.

Lastly, I would be remiss if I were not to mention that the thanks for this increased desire for freedom among the people of the Mideast goes to the many who sacrificed all and to a single embattled man's love and tenacity.







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Sunday, January 30, 2011

Restless Egypt ...

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--About that break ... it may be somewhat porous.--



My initial impulse was to take Egyptian turmoil as a populist and possibly democratic uprising. I'm not so sure.

Fabius Maximus
offers thorough background...

Summary: The events in Egypt are complex; accurate forecasting is not possible. We can look through the fog generated by the news media to see some simple and important facts, and make some likely guesses.

Contents

  1. Background of the riots
  2. Yes, the ‘Islamist Menace’ is overblown. And no, it is not.
  3. Oil prices have spiked, probably with little reason
  4. It’s not about us
  5. What do the people of Egypt think?
  6. Addendum: what should we do?


Ari David by way of GatewayPundit:

Just like Carter, Obama got us to this point by undermining our only ally in the area, Israel, and empowering all of her regional enemies for the first two years of his presidency. That undermining has led us directly to these out of control events.


John Bolton by way of FOX:

I think the question is whether and to what extent the Muslim Brotherhood and radical Islamists have infiltrated the leadership. If the military holds firm it's entirely possible, although bloody, that the government can hold onto power. That doesn't necessarily mean Mubarak will be in power, but the military will be, and I think that is why this contrast makes it so important for people to understand, this is not a choice between the Mubarak government on one hand, and sweetness and light, Jeffersonian democracy on the other.

I don't think we have evidence yet that these demonstrations are necessarily about democracy. You know the old saying, "one person, one vote, one time." The Muslim Brotherhood doesn't care about democracy, if they get into power you're not going to have free and fair elections either


These events seem to have caught most of guard, but The NYT makes it clear -- It's not Obama's Fault:


The chaos unfolding in Egypt is laying bare a stark fact, Middle East experts say: In the Arab world, American words may not matter, because American deeds, whatever the words, have been pretty consistent.





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